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Flint Michigan Implements Controversial Sagging Pants Law

11 July 2008 48,262 views 38 Comments

Sagging Pants

Flint’s interim Police Chief David Dicks (yup…that’s his name) began implementing a controversial new “sagging pants law“.  In short, let your pants sag and you will be warned, then fined, and finally put in jail if you don’t comply with this indecent exposure law.  Here is some content from the article that explains the Chief’s position:

Dicks, who took over the department last month on an interim basis, announced that his officers would start arresting people wearing saggy pants that expose skivvies, boxer shorts or bare bottoms.

“Some people call it a fad,” Dicks told the Free Press this week while patrolling the streets of Flint. “But I believe it’s a national nuisance. It is indecent and thus it is indecent exposure, which has been on the books for years.”

On June 27, the chief issued a departmental memorandum telling officers: “This immoral self expression goes beyond freedom of expression.”

Some “sag your pants” supporters are crying foul though.  Of course, the crazy folks over at the ACLU are claiming racist undertones as the driving issue.  It goes without saying, but this is bizarre and bordering on insane.  Can we please leave the race comments out of this and talk about the merits of what they are trying to do?

This new law is ridiculous if they do actually plan on throwing people in jail, but warnings and fines?  I have only one word – “finally”.  I know not all will agree and I would love to hear from you in the comments, but guys who wear their pants sagging are making a statement.  No one can convince me otherwise and this is why I support The Chief in his actions.  Stop the ghetto behavior and you will start changing attitudes.

Sagging pants have hurt the implementation of true manly behavior and manliness in our youth for far too long.  I say, “respect yourself and respect how you carry your appearance.”  The Manliness Trait (the post has yet to be crafted) A Man’s Appearance Always Matters is something that is near and dear to me.

Sagging Pants ChartFlint, Michigan

I lived in Michigan for over 30 years and know Flint, Michigan very well.  It is one of the most dangerous places in our country.  I lived in Detroit proper for a number of years and Detroit is tame in many respects compared to Flint.

I suspect, regardless of color or ethnic background, that if we start changing the attitude and altering the mentality that presently exists in young males, it might be possible to turn them into young men.  Young men with character and respect for each other tend to yield good things.

This respectful attitude is not present in any urban culture that I am aware and Flint is no exception.  Flint is a place where something like this could actually start changing the fortunes of the entire city.  Don’t agree?  Take the time to dress to the nines this weekend and go to a public place.  See how people treat you and more importantly, notice how it makes you feel.  This attitude just might spill over into all aspects of your life.

Finally, the sagging pants law could make the “sag your pants” fashion (using that term liberally) a thing of the past.  If for no other reason, there is hope I can now go back home and find myself in a pickup game without the fear of having to check a fella with his pants half off.  I don’t think anyone can argue with that!!!

38 Comments »

  • rummuser said:

    What is puzzling with the fad is the logic for it. Is there one? I can understand a low hip pair of trousers or jeans or whatever as a comfortable fit but something that will trip you when you walk?

  • Mike Bates said:

    To be sure, this is an idiotic fad. Literally, the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen. And I roll my eyes at every single dude I see with their pants around their thighs.
    But frankly, I think the law is ridiculous, as long as nothing scandalous is showing. Our police have plenty to do without looking out for the whites of some guy’s boxers. As long as there’s nothing indecent (no crack, I’m looking at you plumbers), I say who cares?
    Yes, people treat you diffently when you wear ridiculous pants. But they treat you differently when you have long hair, leather jacket and a Harley shirt too. And if you have a mohawk and a safety pin through your cheek. But that’s the thing, if you draw the line at one ridiculous fad you can start drawing the line at others. And then we all look like we shop at Brooks Brothers. I’m not a big fan of someone telling me what I can and can’t wear (other than my wife).

  • Kevin said:

    @Mike – these are all good points.

  • Rasheed said:

    Some people may treat you more importantly if you’re dressed to the nines, but those aren’t the people that saggy pants kids are looking to impress. They’re trying to fit in with their dumbass friends who expose their boxers.

    There are more important crimes for the police to crack down on (note the hilarious pun).

    Rasheeds last blog post..Sepp Blatter is a Douche

  • Kevin said:

    If for no other reason, I now have the word “Douche” on my site again. That is what’s important. I love that word used in that way

    You are right, but I would argue that they are impressing the wrong people.

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  • Citizen of Flint said:

    Repugnant, Suggestive and Lewd!

    And I could go on how I and others feel about this unsightly “trend”.
    Trend implies a ‘popular taste at a given time’. But, this has been going on for almost 20 years.

    If not for the fact that Police Chief Dicks, was/is black, there would be an outcry of racism & discrimination. I have seen, however, claims of ‘racial profiling’. This is the contemporary means of labeling someone who doesn’t agree with you. And the ACLU is legend at defending these accusations under the guise of 1st Amendment freedoms.

    One word: STOPTHEACLU.COM
    Was that one word? {:]

  • joe said:

    SAGGING PANTS
    WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL???

    During the past few years, sagging pants has become a fashion trend worldwide. While this fashion trend is popular with many of today’s youths, and some adults, a wide margin of the population find this style of clothing offensive and inappropriate. Even though I do not wear my pants below the waist, I do not see what is the problem; to me it is just another fad in America that will eventually go away. This style of clothing has been referred to as stupid, and revealing. It has been characterized be the common phrase of people saying “you can see their butts hanging out,” or “I don’t want to see your butt.” Abolition of this style of clothing has even been taken so far as to being brought on Oprah and the involvement of organizations to get rid of it. The question being asked today by many of today’s youth is “is it really that serious?”
    As far as being called stupid, there have been plenty of fashions in America that are equally, if not far more stupid than sagging pants. For instance, clothes being worn backwards, which is self explanatory. Shirts with offensive and lude sayings on them or clothing with the tags left on, shoulder pads in dresses and suites which makes our population look like linebackers, or worn jeans which defeats the purpose of buying new jeans, etcetera. What looks stupid is an opinion, and as long as we are a democracy, everyone is entitled to their own.
    Too much attention is on sagging pants when it is referred to as being offensive and lude, because there are so many other fashion trends that are far worse than sagging pants. First of all, when people say to people who “sag” that they can see your butt, or that they don’t want to “see your butt,” they have just made an ignorant statement. No one is seeing a true bottom unless the person sagging is not wearing any underwear, in which case this scenario is very unlikely. Second of all, one is merely seeing the loose boxers, and on rare occasion maybe a glimpse of regular underwear, which is also unlikely due to the fact that many of today’s youth due not wear briefs for fear of ridicule for wearing “tighty whities.” In the case of an argument that I am taking these statements too literally, then is seeing the figure of ones butt through boxers not the same as seeing ones butt through regular jeans or shorts, after all what is boxers other than a thinner pair of shorts, or why is a glimpse of boxer’s offensive? They leave more to the imagination than many of today’s tight fitting pants that both guys and girls wear, do they not?
    So much attention is called to sagging pants, but not to hip huggers which reveal a large butt crack every time its wearer sits down. In sports, football pants, a wrestling singlet, gymnastics singlet, or volley ball shorts, fit so tight that one might as well paint their body for clothes, every curve and mark is clearly displayed and yet no one complains as much as they do about a mere sagging pants. Sometimes you will see girls’ wearing tight shorts with words on the back, which clearly draws attention to the “rear end” and it is seen as cute, but sagging pants is offensive? Shirts are being worn with cuts so low that people might as well go topless, and yet laws are being enforced to stop pants from simply being worn below the waistline. When a guy wears a shirt that is cut off at the ribs is it not offensive, or when an obese person wears clothes so tight that they look like a caterpillar in cling wrap it goes unnoticed. While seeing boxers is offensive enough to bring law enforcement into the picture then why not being able to see panty lines of thong straps or bra straps? Is it only okay to see ones figure at the beach or pool? Why should location determine whether clothing is wrong or right? Emo kids are guys who wear tight fitting shirts and girls pants that fit so tight that they appear to cut off circulation. Gothic kids style of clothing looks like they are worshiping Satan, and yet neither one of these styles have been attempted to be outlawed, I find these styles offensive.
    Sagging pants is just another fad that will eventually die out, but in the meantime, too much negative attention has been called to it. Is freedom of expression or speech not protected in our constitutional rights, it is and unless our government becomes communist or totalitarian, it always will be. Anyone who purchases clothing has the right to wear them the way that they want to. I have not found a suitable explanation the severity of sagging pants that can sway my opinion, and doubt that one is out there. Style will always be opinionated and I can only wonder what new “so-called” offensive fashions await in the future?

  • Apple-shaped Obese Male said:

    OK, I’m not a teenage kid. I’m 42 years old, and I wear my pants down low about halfway down on my butt. I can’t help it. I keep pulling my pants up, but they keep sliding back down again. I am morbidly obese, being apple-shaped, meaning I have mostly upper-body fat. I’m 6 feet 2 inches tall and I weigh about 750 pounds. I measure about 72 inches around my chest, 98 inches around my belly, but I have a relatively small butt, measuring only 54 inches around my hips. I’m only 28 inches around my thighs and my upper arms are 36 inches around. Yeah! My upper arms are actually bigger around than my thighs! My love-handles are obviously much wider than my hips, and even hang down over my hips. I have a big roll of fat on my lower back that protrudes out further than my butt. My belly hangs down over my belt, down over the front of my pants and halfway down my thighs. I can’t find shirts large enough to cover my belly, so I go around out in public showing off my bellybutton and butt-crack! I can’t help it. Should I be busted because I go around with my bellybutton and butt-crack showing? HELL NO! That would be discrimination against us fat people. Sorry about that! OK?

    Oh, by the way, I would also like to mention an incident that happened to me at a public beach. I was wearing no shirt and I was barefoot. As I was walking along the beach, the lifeguard approached me, and told me that it was not a nude beach and that if I didn’t put on some shorts, he would have me arrested for indecent exposure. But I was in fact wearing shorts, so I turned around to show him. From the front I looked like I had nothing on, because, as I had mentioned previously, I’m morbidly obese, and I have a huge round low hanging belly. Because my belly hung down over the front of my shorts and down over my thighs almost halfway to my knees, I looked like I had nothing on! but when I turned around, the lifeguard could see that I was indeed wearing shorts. Of course, my shorts were halfway down on my butt revealing my butt-crack, but I can’t help that. I have a massive upper-body with a low hanging belly so I just can’t keep my pants from sliding down on my butt. Well, the lifeguard didn’t bother me anymore, but you should have seen the look on his face! I still laugh when I think about it. About a week later, I returned to the beach, but this time, instead of wearing shorts, I wore a speedo. I figured, HELL, why not! There was no rules against speedos on the beach, so I felt that despite being obese, I also had a right to wear one too. I’m not going to hide in my home just because I’m super morbidly obese. I believe that I should have the same legal rights and anybody else here in the USA. I can’t help it if my pants or shorts slide halfway down on my butt. I can’t help it if I can’t find shirts big enough to cover my belly. When your love-handles hang down over your hips, and your belly hangs down over your thighs almost halfway to your knees, there is no way to keep your pants from sliding down on your butt. I have tried losing weight a few times but my belly still sags down low, and I can’t afford the surgery to have the excess skin removes, and I do not wish to subject myself to such a painful procedure and have such nasty looking scars. So I gave up trying to lose weight. Yeah, I weigh 750 pounds, but I really don’t mind. In fact, I’m perfectly happy being fat, so I’m going to enjoy life as much as I can. Besides, I actually like going out in public showing off my bellybutton and butt-crack and mooning the world around me.

  • hopes said:

    no people should not be dicriminated like that and it is a trend i am 16 years old and i dont sag and i live in los angeles and from what i see only like 10 percent of the population here is wearing there pant sbelow there waist.

  • CASSIE said:

    this is all just really inapporpriate people can do whatever they want this law is very stupid i live in florida and you people are just bieng stupid.

  • Not american said:

    Americans often have a blind spot it seems toward detecting racist behavior that should be glaringly obvious, like that librarian in Jenna who couldnt figure out why hanging nooses from trees would be considered racist and threatning if you are a black person.

    The answer is simple. Shorts. Are they going to harass white dudes wearing shorts? No? See where im getting at?

    I think its a stupid fad, but fining people for it? Im starting to understand why america is not out of the woods yet with its racism when racist police people like this one arent booed off the stage and laughed at by 97% of the population following with this police guy losing his job on the spot.

  • David said:

    “Sagging pants have hurt the implementation of true manly behavior and manliness in our youth for far too long. I say, “respect yourself and respect how you carry your appearance.” The Manliness Trait (the post has yet to be crafted) A Man’s Appearance Always Matters is something that is near and dear to me.”

    That paragraph says it all!
    Have some self respect you ignorant children!
    No one wants to see your nasty under garments and/or crack.

    I used to handle security for an office building.
    I’ve had some younger employees even wear their office attire in this fashion!!!
    One person actually got angry with me when I wouldn’t allow him to pass.
    I had to call his manager down to the lobby and tell him to go home and get changed.
    A few weeks later the same person tried it again.
    This time he was fired on the spot!

    Ridiculous!!!
    I bet that went over well at home…

    “Why are you home so early honey?”
    “Oh I got fired because I wanted to wear my pants like an idiot.”
    “Oh it’s OK, there’s always fast-food…”

    Wake up people…

  • Apple-shaped Obese Male said:

    Well, as I have said before, I can’t help it if my pants slide halfway down on my butt.

    I’m one of those super morbidly obese apple-shaped guys with a huge belly round belly that hangs down over the waist-band of my pants, down over my groin, and half-way down over my thighs.

    My love-handles are wider than my hips, and hang down over my hips.

    I have a big roll of fat on my lower back that protrudes out further than my butt.

    My upper-body is huge, and my arms are even bigger around than my legs, and with my massive upper-body, it’s impossible for me to keep my pants from riding low on my butt.

    So, in my case, I can’t help it.

    Get real, people!

  • David said:

    @ Apple-shaped Obese Male:

    Well, in your case, I understand.
    But all these wannabe gang-bangers, thugs and fools trying to look cool thinking they’re making a fashion statement are NOT getting an ounce of leeway from me…

  • Apple-shaped Obese Male said:

    David said:

    @ Apple-shaped Obese Male:

    “Well, in your case, I understand.
    But all these wannabe gang-bangers, thugs and fools trying to look cool thinking they’re making a fashion statement are NOT getting an ounce of leeway from me…”
    ——————–

    Thank you very much! Glad you understand.

    This law against sagging pants actually discriminates against those of us who have upper-body obesity since we are unable to keep our pants up.

    Who know? Maybe if I get any fatter, the great big roll of fat on my lower back will eventually hang down over my butt anyway!

    Then my butt-crack will be hidden.

  • Club Bouncer said:

    @ Apple-shaped Obese Male:

    Like any law, this would need to be approached on a case by case basis. Someone who physically cannot help it would not be sought by the police. Although, they may recommend suspenders or something else to help with the problem. I understand what you say, being apple-shaped myself and a few pounds overweight… my problem is having no ass! LOL seriously, pants tend to slide down on me, but I keep my shirt tucked in and wear a belt. Worst thing that happens to me is my shirt comes untucked.

    @ Everyone Else:

    Regardless of what people want to claim, this isn’t a racist attack. There are plenty on whites, hispanics, and blacks… even Asians.. all trying to ‘look cool’. Its not a race thing but a thug/gang thing. And with thugs come all the gang wannabe’s.

    You can call me whatever you want, but if you come to the club I work at you will not be allowed in dressed like that. No thug or hiphop wear is allowed. We set in place a dress code and we stick to it. This includes:

    NO saggy pants
    NO gang colors of ANY type
    NO bandana’s/doo rags
    NO ski hats/touques
    NO t-shirts that come past upper theighs at most

    The only real exception to this has been the Muslim-type head coverings, but they cannot be tied up like a bandana, they must be tucked up underneath (looks more like a beanie).

    Why did this come around? Take it from a club bouncer–the most common trouble maker we deal with is….. you guessed it–the gang/thug/wannabe. Weapons are more easily concealed in the big. baggy oversized clothing. Having had an incident with one as recently as last night (pulled a knife concealed in his baggy pants) you can see why we do not let these people in the door. Call it discrimination if you want, but the trouble makers (and thereby the imitators of trouble makers) are NOT the customers we want.

    We recently posted a copy of the above posted picture outlining the saggy pants and are using it to help illustrate our dress code rules. It has actually been very popular between staff and customers alike. The only ones who have a problem with it are the ones we don’t want inside anyways. Others pull up their pants, tuck in their shirt, and tighten their belts, just so they meet the criteria and are allowed inside.

  • Shf84 said:

    It’s about liberty. As long as the guys bare ass isn’t hanging out this amounts to telling someone how dress. The ACLU can’t take them to court fast enough. And NO ONE should have to do ANYTHING because of their sex EVER.

  • crystal said:

    i luv saggin pants in driftwood datz al we do i think its stupied if police give u a ticket or send u 2 jail i sAG AL THE TIME IF ANY BODY GOT SUMTHING 2 SAY GO AHEAD BITCHEZ………………HWD

  • nila said:

    I dont like the fact that i cannot take my 5 year old daughter to the store without her seeing some wanna be thugs butt hanging out of their clothes. my husband is black and he doesnt do it or like it either, so people who say that it is a race thing is dead wrong. its nasty. would you want your daughter to see someones butt cause they dont know how to pull their pants up? you have a belt for a reason… use it.

  • Apple-shaped Obese Male said:

    Club Bouncer said:

    “@ Apple-shaped Obese Male:

    Like any law, this would need to be approached on a case by case basis. Someone who physically cannot help it would not be sought by the police. Although, they may recommend suspenders or something else to help with the problem. I understand what you say, being apple-shaped myself and a few pounds overweight… my problem is having no ass! LOL seriously, pants tend to slide down on me, but I keep my shirt tucked in and wear a belt. Worst thing that happens to me is my shirt comes untucked.”

    Well, I’m unable to wear suspenders because, as I have said, my huge round belly hangs down over the waistband of my pants, down over my groin area, and down over my thighs about half-way to my knees. I am unable to life up my belly, and reach over it to put on suspenders, and even if I could, my low hanging belly would only pull down on my suspenders causing my pants to still slide half-way down on my butt.

    Wearing a belt doesn’t work either because my pants would still be half-way down on my butt and a belt would only squeeze around my butt. A belt would only keep my pants from falling completely off but my pants would still be half-way down on my butt.

    So, I guess people will just have to get use to me going around out in public showing off my bellybutton and butt-crack!

    Sorry about that!

  • The Real Issues said:

    I think that the writer is forgetting (or never knew to begin with) where this trend originally came from. It comes from people growing up with not enough money to go around and from having to share hand me downs with siblings. When this trend emerged it was most definitely an “ethnic thing” which had caught on with “main stream” culture with the popularity of Hip Hop. Today, this might not be the case for everyone who wears this style however I think that it is interesting that no-one is talking about social programs for the area of Flint as the writer talks about it being very dangerous etc. Where are young men’s examples and role models? I would encourage the state to look at what the real problems are: low self-esteem, poverty, domestic volence, unemployment etc. I think this is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard and feel that the State of MI has better things to do with their tax dollars and time. Are there not real criminals to catch or is this just a way to put more people in jail and collect more money from bail etc?

  • Blacc said:

    How is it right to tell some one how to dress. Next it will be what color to wear and what days to wear them. If it was something you like to do you wouldnt fell that way. IM A SAGGER<3

  • Jason said:

    America simply isn’t the same. Since when can the government tell a citizen how to wear the clothes they bought. Whats a nussiance is the people complaining about sagging pants, build a bridge and get over it. That’s like someone comlaining about how somebody else wears their hair, it’s pointless. I sagg of course, but you cannot see my underwear. America makes it seem as if it’s only black young men that sagg. I just switched to a mainly white high school and the white kids here sag way more than they did at my old school, but yet I see no one complaining. This law is discriminating in my opinion.

    excuse my grammar-

  • admin (author) said:

    Jason, you are articulate in your thoughts and I appreciate your insight. I’ve had time to reflect on this post and still don’t like sagging. Your points are interesting and I think you are right – it is pointless to complain about others’ dress. Is there a place to actually have a law against it, I thought so at the time. I’m not totally sure anymore. In any event, it is worth discussing on this blog when it comes to manliness. We all have our own definition here, but I conclude it doesn’t fit in with mine. Concerning your desire to keep sagging, keep doing what makes you feel good about yourself…If that is how you express and you treat others with respect in the process, that is manly….

  • amber said:

    @ Mike.. There is something wrong with this fad….we teach our 3 year old girl she dont see boys under wear.As alot of ppl teach their kids that its wrong. just the other day i went ib to the gas station with my 3 year old and there is a man leaning over the counter (because he was to lasy to just stand there) and at first I didnt think about it but when i looked sure enough his pants were sagging and his boxers had a massive hole in them all i saw was bare skin. my little girl was asking me why his but was showing and i told he he was nasty and too lasy to pull them up and the police man would put him jail! So I am glad they are doing something about saggy pants.

  • Joey said:

    This law is stupid!!! Thats no different than arresting a women for showing a little bit of cleavage! I’m suprized that law passed. it’s one thing for a cop to say “hey can you please pull up your pant its not apropriate” but you guys have gone way to far with this

  • big dan t said:

    I am 19, white and a pants sagger. I grew up west side detroit but now live in the suburbs. I support myself and my girlfriend (who is a full time student, and part time model). I have a very technical, well paying job. O, and I’m an eagle scout. Now let me tell you a story.
    My girlfriend and I were in a grocery store that is right next to my house, I was sick so I was in a particularly foul mood (I was there to get chx soup and a Naked smoothie). While I was looking at the soups the store manager came up to me and said in a flat-out rude tone “hey kid, pull up your pants”. Now, sometimes I sag real low never crack though only boxers- but on this particular day I was wearing basketball shorts under my blue jeans, and you could hardly see the shorts (I feel that point is mute however as I could have pulled the jeans down and walked around the store in the shorts). Anyhow, I looked the clerk in his face, scoffed, and said “no”. He followed up telling me to leave the store or he is calling the piggys. I’m on probation for possesion of marijuana, so to avoid altercations with him or those porkers I put my stuff down and clearly said “I’m leaving then” I went to grab my chicks hand and the manger chest bumped me. I stumbled back, feeling I should let that slide I went to go grab her hand a second time, and sure enough buddy pushed me again. This time I said “stop!” And went for my girls hand a third time and low and behold he pushed me again. At this point I’ve had enough so I spit in the guys face and yelled “stop I’m leaving”. The manager then proceeded to grab me in an attempt to wrestle me to the ground. In high school I was a wrestler, I’ve also been trained in mixed martial arts, muay thai, and I’ve been trained by a helio gracie disciple, so believe friends I had all the tools to kick this tools ass, but I just broke away from him and headed towards the door, quickly. But he ran up and grabbed me. Two other store associates noticed what was going on and came to help their manager. As I was not trying to mutilate these jerks (and violate) I was only trying to get away and pulled the old fashioned hockey shirt-over-head manuver but got foiled so we went to the ground my shirt half off and 3 grown men on top of me, one of the managers took his belt off and tied it around my ankle for to bond me? I guess… so the five-o arrived and a larger male cop rolled me over and sat on me. He told me put my hands behind my back, but I couldn’t as my arm was wrapped around my shirt and the cop was sitting on me so I couldn’t move it. So I told him this. He yelled again, so I repeated myself and my old lady was yelling “his arm is stuck!” So officer jackass grabbed me by the hair and slammed my head into the ground multiple times. I quickly realized that comunication, unfortunately, was getting me nowhere so I flailed my body in an attempt to break free so I could comply with police mans orders but his partner saw me move and jumped on me and started punching me over and over. So I did a bridge and got them fools off me, layed on my stomach still as possible and threw my hands behind my back. The cops got up, cuffed me, dragged me by my hair to the cop car, andnow I’m being charged with assult and resisting arrest, just because they wouldnt believe this man attacked me unprovoked. Luckily however, the store has survielence tapes and best believe after these charges get dropped I’m going to sue the grocery store and spare no expense to make sure that manager is charged with at very least assult and battery.

    The reason I told that story is to comment on people saying the laws are targetting blacks, I believe these accusations are false! Just as many crackers wear their pants low as brothers do. I think however, the fundamental issues the lawmakers and this man have with it are rooted to racism. They grew up in a time were racial tensions were high and probably deep down in their subconscious they probably do resent black people. They see young white males taking after BLACK role models instead of them. They don’t think its right for US to try and be like THEM. so add that in with the hero factor and you get what we got,

    I sag my pants because I am comfortable like that, and I look good like that (try and tell my MODEL girlfriend otherwise) it is not a cry for attention, it is not me being lude or indecent, o I don’t have shit stains on my boxers shorts. idk if you all are ready for this one… I wear pants that are not 2 or 3 sizes too big to things such as work, or court, or shit even boyscout meetings. The same day I had the above confrontation my girlfriend was wearing a shirt that showed the top 3/4′s of her huge perfect breasts (the ONLY skin I was showing was my head and hands) and he did not say one word to her. Hmmm double standards much?

    And to the guy on this forum talking about how manliness should be important to us, not all of us are apes who have to walk around beating our chests to show who is most macho, I mean seriously dude with the way homosexuality and cross dressing are becoming increasingly popular should we make that illeagal too? What’s more manly than dressing like a fairy and skipping through Ferndale, right? But what I think the issue most people have with this “fashion trend” is the same one my mom has, and that’s all of you are really bored, busy bodied, close minded, bigots. I have never in my life harassed somebody about what they wear, how they look, or what they wanna shove up their asses for that matter. You all wanna know why? Cuz I am a good human being who believes in harmony, can’t we all just get along? I understand it is one thing to look and be professional when appropriate, but homie I work 6 10 hour days and I promise you all when I am off the clock I will, repeat, WILL dress however I want. I am a grown ass young man, and unless you come to my house and pay my bills, and do my chicks bedroom duties your input on MY wardrobe is non-existant.

    Now crystal(above) why in the hell would you put up a post like that? You only succeeded in making those associated with you appear to be idiots, thanks a lot. next time your brain “thinks it thunk”, pretty please don’t share it with the world. Its people acting dumb that gives us(humans) a bad name.

    And bouncer… just for the record I am fairly ceratin there are as many drunk rednecks with knives, and drunk ass bankers with guns, as there are “thug wannabees” that are armed. I will HAPPILY stay out of any establishment that does not want my money. Keep turnin it away, that way you lame ass bigots can get drunk together and “lynch you a wigger for saggin them there pants” or practice your bigotry in whatever way you see fit. Its a free country so I really don’t care what you do.

    I’m done.

  • big dan t said:

    I’ve got to add this just because she drew first blood, but Amber, if your daughter is gonna go thru the same school system you did, her seeing underpants is literally the LAST thing you should be worried about. I don’t care how far up your ass your pants are, try and get a job with a resume written similar to that post. I mean we don’t have to have perfect grammer, spelling, and general sentence structure, but shit woman! What did the english language ever do to you?

  • Jon (of New York) said:

    I think getting fined for sagging pants is ridiculous. I’m a 14 year old kid so i don’t expect anyone to take seriously but honestly I can’t believe that this “indecency” offends any one. It’s a style of fashion and does it origination matter? Most people who sag their pants do it because they are influenced by the people around them i.e their friends. I sag my pants and I started sagging my pants for that reason. My friends did it. But at is point I’m out of middle school and in my new school, The Bronx High School of Science (one of the top schools in America) few choose to sag. But i didn’t stop and start wearing tight pants to conform. To be honest at this point sagging is comfortable to me. I like it. Don’t ask me why but it’s gone beyond do what my friends do. So don’t take someone sagging their pants as a sign idiocy or show of their “ghetto-ness”. I sag because I like to. I make me comfortable with myself. And it being outlawed and fined? Come on, why not go fine Lady GaGa for her fashion while your at it.

  • Club Bouncer said:

    I’m gonna just keep this brief since I refuse to waste a ton of time at this.

    As far as the club customers go, we are still over capacity every weekend even with $10-15 cover charge. I don’t worry about upsetting a few thug-wannabes. Those that really want in will respect the dress code. Others can leave.

    Whether it is right or not, you will be treated based on the appearance you give people. Like the guy above who says the store manager beat him up for no reason, I’m absolutely certain you aren’t telling us the whole story. But if you come into a private establishment looking like some degenerate scumbag (whether you are or not), that will be two strikes against you before you even walk in the door. Sorry but that is the reality of it.

    Lady Gaga’s fashion sense is, at best, questionable.

    Is it so hard to understand that no one wants to see your hairy ass crack? Really? I mean, ok, MAYBE a couple women here and there may like it but the bulk just roll their eyes behind your back. You may, however, be making yourself more appealing to gay men. Or not, I’m just throwing that out there.

    Comparing your ass hanging out to a woman wearing a lower-cut top is kind of silly… but there are decency limits to that as well. Throwing someone in jail over either is a little much… I’m sure that’s just an idle threat kept for people who get unruly in public anyways.

    Jon (of New York), you’re actually the reason I wrote today, since your post showed up in my email. I just wanted to point out that you say you started sagging your pants because your friends were doing it (conforming) but then go on to say that you “won’t conform” by wearing proper fitting pants in another place. You are clearly someone who “expresses their individuality”, but unfortunately do it by being like everyone else. Doesn’t really work. Can’t have both, pal.

    No one says everyone has to agree… but I would say, logically speaking, as a straight man I don’t mind seeing a little extra skin on the ladies… but I have no desire to see any on a man. Unless you’re a gay man I don’t see any benefit to this at all. Just sayin’.

  • Apple-shaped Obese Male said:

    In response to Club Bouncer:

    WOW! It’s been some time since I have been to this web site. I had almost completely forgotten about it until I got a notice in my E-mail that someone had posted here.

    So, I just had to respond.

    I thought this topic would be dead by now, and because of my extreme obesity, I’m surprised that I’m not either! Yeah, I’m still very much alive, and even fatter now!

    I see, that the first time I had posted here was back in August 2009.

    I had mentioned that I was unable to keep my pants from sliding halfway down on my butt, and was unable to avoid exposing my butt-crack because of my massive upper-body, and my great big round low-hanging belly, and my narrow hips, and small butt.

    At the time I said I was 42 years old, so I’m not just some kid going around in low hanging pants. As I had mentioned before, I’m 6 feet 2 inches tall and I weighed about 750 pounds, and that I measured about 72 inches around my chest, 98 inches around my belly, but that I have a relatively small butt, measuring only 54 inches around my hips. also, that I’m only 28 inches around my thighs and my upper arms are 36 inches around. also, that my upper-arms are actually bigger around than my thighs!

    That was almost two years ago.

    Then sometime later, much later back in May 2010, you (Club Bopuncer) had said . . .

    “Like any law, this would need to be approached on a case by case basis. Someone who physically cannot help it would not be sought by the police. Although, they may recommend suspenders or something else to help with the problem.”

    And I had responded by saying the following . . .

    “I’m unable to wear suspenders because, as I have said, my huge round belly hangs down over the waistband of my pants, down over my groin area, and down over my thighs about half-way to my knees. I am unable to life up my belly, and reach over it to put on suspenders, and even if I could, my low hanging belly would only pull down on my suspenders causing my pants to still slide half-way down on my butt.”

    So, for me, suspender are not an option, and neither is a belt, because I can’t reach over my belly to buckle a belt, so I guess I just have to go around with my pants hanging half-way down on my ass, exposing my butt-crack.

    Sorry, but I really can’t help it!

    So now I feel the need to respond to the following comment by Club Bouncer.

    “I’m gonna just keep this brief since I refuse to waste a ton of time at this.

    As far as the club customers go, we are still over capacity every weekend even with $10-15 cover charge. I don’t worry about upsetting a few thug-wannabes. Those that really want in will respect the dress code. Others can leave.

    Whether it is right or not, you will be treated based on the appearance you give people.”

    Well, just because my pants slide half-way down on my butt, I’m not a thug-wannabe.

    Am I to understand, that I would get kicked out of your club for not conforming to your dress code, even though I’m physically unable to comply?

    That would be discrimination against me, because of my extreme obesity, and I believe that I should have the same rights, as any American citizen to be in your establishment.

    I’m a law abiding citizen.

    Can I help it, if I’m physically unable to keep my pants up high enough to conform to your club’s dress code?

    And yes, I’m much fatter now. I have gained over 150 pounds pounds in the past 2 years. I now weigh about 930 pounds.

    My arms and chest are bigger, and my belly is much bigger, and hangs down even lower, but, oddly enough, I have gained very little weight on my hips, butt, and thighs by comparison.

    I now measure 92 inches around my chest, 124 inches around my belly, and my upper arms are now 46 inches around.

    But I now only measure 58 inches around my hips, and only 34 inches around my thighs, somewhat larger than before, but not by much. So, my upper arms are still bigger around than my thighs!

    So, your really have no idea what it’s like, to be a super morbidly obese apple-shaped male with big fat arms, great big breasts that would put Dolly Parton to shame, a huge round belly, a small butt, and thin legs!

    And now, my belly hangs down below my knees, and my love-handles hang down much lower, and that big roll of fat I have on my lower-back protrudes out much further than my butt.

    Again, I’m physically unable to keep my pants from sliding half-way down on my butt, and I can’t find shirts that are large enough to completely cover my belly.

    So, I guess people are just going to have to get used to seeing me going around out in public showing off my bellybutton and butt-crack.

    But don’t worry folks!

    Maybe, if I keep on gaining enough weight on my upper body, then perhaps someday, the great big roll of fat on my lower-back will hang down over my butt, and my love-handles will hang down much lower, and then, you won’t even see my butt anymore! It will be completely covered by my lower-back fat!

    And so, when my lower-body is completely covered by my low-hanging upper-body fat, will I then be allowed to enter your night club?

    I await an answer to my inquiry.

  • Libertarian said:

    Women should wear burkas too! Women exposing their faces is a detestable and vile display of indecency…

    C’mon people this is America. Men and women have died to protect the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness however they see fit.

  • ronnie fenn said:

    Honestly im mixed between black and a white family and yes i do wear my pants below my waste im in high school its a trend… i find that my black side gets angry when i do it because they seem to think white people will look down on them, honestly everykid does it even if they dont do it in front of you watch them turn the corner its better to know what ur kid is doing then they do it behind ur back. and as for my white side they all just say oh thats stupid and then its w.e they dont care, i had a black women come up to me and say pull up ur pants u look like a fool… I simply replied ” im sorry miss did u sleep with my dad, are u my mother?” she said no and put on a mad face and kissed her teeth so i said so then shutup -_- and the reason she said that was because i was fixing my pants trying to pull them up to were i wanted so about what i just said im just trying to let u parents know that there gonna do it anyway.

  • Emiliano said:

    I’d rather be showing off my arse than be the voice of mediocrity telling people to pull their trousers up. Fashion is about communicating and judging by the public outcry to this trend, I’d say it’s a pretty bold statement.

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  • Holly said:

    Finally—-it is a first step to change I am a mother who would like to be able to go in public without someone advertising their underwear…. I have just as much right for peace also sage at home behind your doors.

  • Maria said:

    If your going to wear your pants below your buttocks. Why wear pants at all! You might as well just wear your boxers and make a statement that way!

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